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		<title>Comment on How to respond to a racist joke by tom</title>
		<link>http://www.raceintheworkplace.com/2007/07/31/how-to-respond-to-a-racist-joke/#comment-60639</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Co-worker: Did you hear that Angelina Jolie adopted another kid, this time from Vietnam?

You: Oh really?

at this point i would interject "that's great" after "oh really?"...stops most of this nonsence before it even gets going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Co-worker: Did you hear that Angelina Jolie adopted another kid, this time from Vietnam?</p>
<p>You: Oh really?</p>
<p>at this point i would interject &#8220;that&#8217;s great&#8221; after &#8220;oh really?&#8221;&#8230;stops most of this nonsence before it even gets going.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do some people discriminate against their own race? by Angel H.</title>
		<link>http://www.raceintheworkplace.com/2008/01/28/why-do-some-people-discriminate-against-their-own-race/#comment-56502</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Relax….I’m not trying to make any enemies here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Try harder.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Speaking of racism….who said I was White??&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's pretty damn obvious.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You ARE coming close to sounding racist here...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Apparently, I'm racist for pointing out your racist "logic". Brilliant! [/sarcasm]

&lt;blockquote&gt;I never presumed or even cared about the color or race of you….mmmmm???&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But you sure did put a lot of emphasis on your coworker's race.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is also our responsibility to move forth and better ourselves and others in this world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But no one has an obligation to do so. Example: I would expect you have some basic understanding of race relations in this country. If you don't that's not my problem - I'd advise you check your local library.The fact that many White people expect to be taught basic Racism 101 by the most accessible POC reeks of privilege. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;You are right about one thing, I am “Niave”…about racism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Be grateful you don't have to live with it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You see I dont practice it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except in &lt;a href="http://www.raceintheworkplace.com/2008/01/28/why-do-some-people-discriminate-against-their-own-race/#comment-17163" rel="nofollow"&gt;this comment&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I treat people equally, fairly and kindly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then why the &lt;a href="http://www.raceintheworkplace.com/2008/01/28/why-do-some-people-discriminate-against-their-own-race/#comment-17163" rel="nofollow"&gt;stupid question&lt;/a&gt;?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thank you for your sarcastic semi-apology.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oops. Sorry, about that.

I actually never meant to apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Relax….I’m not trying to make any enemies here.</p></blockquote>
<p>Try harder.</p>
<blockquote><p>Speaking of racism….who said I was White??</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty damn obvious.</p>
<blockquote><p>You ARE coming close to sounding racist here&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently, I&#8217;m racist for pointing out your racist &#8220;logic&#8221;. Brilliant! [/sarcasm]</p>
<blockquote><p>I never presumed or even cared about the color or race of you….mmmmm???</p></blockquote>
<p>But you sure did put a lot of emphasis on your coworker&#8217;s race.</p>
<blockquote><p>It is also our responsibility to move forth and better ourselves and others in this world.</p></blockquote>
<p>But no one has an obligation to do so. Example: I would expect you have some basic understanding of race relations in this country. If you don&#8217;t that&#8217;s not my problem - I&#8217;d advise you check your local library.The fact that many White people expect to be taught basic Racism 101 by the most accessible POC reeks of privilege. </p>
<blockquote><p>You are right about one thing, I am “Niave”…about racism.</p></blockquote>
<p>Be grateful you don&#8217;t have to live with it.</p>
<blockquote><p>You see I dont practice it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Except in <a href="http://www.raceintheworkplace.com/2008/01/28/why-do-some-people-discriminate-against-their-own-race/#comment-17163" rel="nofollow">this comment</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>I treat people equally, fairly and kindly.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then why the <a href="http://www.raceintheworkplace.com/2008/01/28/why-do-some-people-discriminate-against-their-own-race/#comment-17163" rel="nofollow">stupid question</a>?</p>
<blockquote><p>Thank you for your sarcastic semi-apology.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oops. Sorry, about that.</p>
<p>I actually never meant to apologize.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do some people discriminate against their own race? by Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latino is not a race..its an ethnic group with a shared or similar culture/liguistic background...so when light-skinned aka white latinos discriminate against dark-skinned aka balck/mulatto latinos its because you arent the same race as them...you may be from the same ethnic group but ur not the same race and they know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latino is not a race..its an ethnic group with a shared or similar culture/liguistic background&#8230;so when light-skinned aka white latinos discriminate against dark-skinned aka balck/mulatto latinos its because you arent the same race as them&#8230;you may be from the same ethnic group but ur not the same race and they know it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If diversity training doesn’t work, why do companies do it? by Jim Drummond</title>
		<link>http://www.raceintheworkplace.com/2007/09/12/if-diversity-training-doesn%e2%80%99t-work-why-do-companies-do-it/#comment-52021</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Drummond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with more cowbell that the success  of the training depends on how it is delivered. A 30 minute e-learning course that simply spells out a company's diversity principles or suggests ways to hide your prejudices will not work. However, if a narrative can be developed with characters and (well written) simulated situations the training can help not only identify incorrect beliefs and behaviors but hopefully get to their origin and begin to bring about change. More needs to be done then just having a training program though.  If done well, the training course should be used as a useful first step for an overall diversity initiative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with more cowbell that the success  of the training depends on how it is delivered. A 30 minute e-learning course that simply spells out a company&#8217;s diversity principles or suggests ways to hide your prejudices will not work. However, if a narrative can be developed with characters and (well written) simulated situations the training can help not only identify incorrect beliefs and behaviors but hopefully get to their origin and begin to bring about change. More needs to be done then just having a training program though.  If done well, the training course should be used as a useful first step for an overall diversity initiative.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do some people discriminate against their own race? by Deborah7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 23:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Angel H
I see your still angry.
Relax....I'm not trying to make any enemies here. I simply had a question and you answered it  in your " Big OL" Angry way.

Speaking of racism....who said I was White??
You ARE coming close to sounding racist here....sorry for being blunt, but when I see racial stupidity, I call people on it.
I never presumed or even cared about the color or race of you....mmmmm???

"bottom line is that it is no one’s responsibility to teach anyone else.”
It is human nature to teach as well as to learn. It is also our responsibility to move forth and better ourselves and others in this world.We are at this site to teach and learn from each other. This and other sites are a wonderful opportunity for both.
As a matter of fact, I hope you’ll stay on as reader as learn something.

You are right about one thing, I am "Niave"...about racism. You see I dont practice it. I treat people equally, fairly and kindly. I never expect to be pounced on for this or any other reason someone deems necessary and justifiable in their own "Niavetes". 

Thank you for your sarcastic semi-apology.
If you were upset merely because of what I wrote, then maybe the problem’s not  me.

It’s you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Angel H<br />
I see your still angry.<br />
Relax&#8230;.I&#8217;m not trying to make any enemies here. I simply had a question and you answered it  in your &#8221; Big OL&#8221; Angry way.</p>
<p>Speaking of racism&#8230;.who said I was White??<br />
You ARE coming close to sounding racist here&#8230;.sorry for being blunt, but when I see racial stupidity, I call people on it.<br />
I never presumed or even cared about the color or race of you&#8230;.mmmmm???</p>
<p>&#8220;bottom line is that it is no one’s responsibility to teach anyone else.”<br />
It is human nature to teach as well as to learn. It is also our responsibility to move forth and better ourselves and others in this world.We are at this site to teach and learn from each other. This and other sites are a wonderful opportunity for both.<br />
As a matter of fact, I hope you’ll stay on as reader as learn something.</p>
<p>You are right about one thing, I am &#8220;Niave&#8221;&#8230;about racism. You see I dont practice it. I treat people equally, fairly and kindly. I never expect to be pounced on for this or any other reason someone deems necessary and justifiable in their own &#8220;Niavetes&#8221;. </p>
<p>Thank you for your sarcastic semi-apology.<br />
If you were upset merely because of what I wrote, then maybe the problem’s not  me.</p>
<p>It’s you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Workplace bias costs companies $64 billion annually by Liza</title>
		<link>http://www.raceintheworkplace.com/2008/03/19/interview-with-freada-kapor-klein/#comment-42449</link>
		<dc:creator>Liza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 13:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post! I'm actually about to go and do a workshop on this very topic (in about 30 minutes). I wholeheartedly agree that "... Every time senior management looks the other way when a star revenue producer continues to be a bigot, it undermines every effort already undertaken by the organization...." And, yet, this happens all too often. Walk the walk.  Thanks for this great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post! I&#8217;m actually about to go and do a workshop on this very topic (in about 30 minutes). I wholeheartedly agree that &#8220;&#8230; Every time senior management looks the other way when a star revenue producer continues to be a bigot, it undermines every effort already undertaken by the organization&#8230;.&#8221; And, yet, this happens all too often. Walk the walk.  Thanks for this great post!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bullying More Harmful Than Sexual Harassment on the Job by Lena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you have a much better legal claim based on race discrimination than bullying, exactly because bullying is not illegal.

But also, the point of race discrimination law, or any discrimination law, is that it is to protect against treatment of you that is a response to your race or gender or whatever.  Bullying is an individual interaction that is not, by definition, discrimination against any group.  If you only bully one or two particular employees, just because you don't like them, or just because you are an angry jerk, it's a different interaction than if you pick on people for being women or whatever.

Yeah, it quickly gets confusing and muddied in interpretation and especially by the courts.  And frequently racial abuse is interpreted as 'bullying' and then not satisfactorily proved to be discrimination.  Maybe it would be better if bullying were also prohibited, so that the distinction would be less important.   But that's why people sue for sexual harassment or race discrimination, because that's all they have to work with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you have a much better legal claim based on race discrimination than bullying, exactly because bullying is not illegal.</p>
<p>But also, the point of race discrimination law, or any discrimination law, is that it is to protect against treatment of you that is a response to your race or gender or whatever.  Bullying is an individual interaction that is not, by definition, discrimination against any group.  If you only bully one or two particular employees, just because you don&#8217;t like them, or just because you are an angry jerk, it&#8217;s a different interaction than if you pick on people for being women or whatever.</p>
<p>Yeah, it quickly gets confusing and muddied in interpretation and especially by the courts.  And frequently racial abuse is interpreted as &#8216;bullying&#8217; and then not satisfactorily proved to be discrimination.  Maybe it would be better if bullying were also prohibited, so that the distinction would be less important.   But that&#8217;s why people sue for sexual harassment or race discrimination, because that&#8217;s all they have to work with.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do some people discriminate against their own race? by Angel H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I was trying to ask for some helpful assistance with positive suggestions and ideas to help deal with the matter.
I never expected such a negative response.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You asked how you, a White woman, should deal with a Black employee who was problematic, instead of seeing it as a problematic employee who happened to be Black.

The fact that you didn't expect a negative response shows your own naivete.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was not looking for some obvious debate on how “not all people of color are the same”,or “that a person doesn’t want to do his job”….this all of course is the obvious.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obviously it's not too obvious, or else you wouldn't have posed the question.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Next time you reply to a posting, try to offer positive feedback. You can drive home a point far better with kindness.

Truly, your negative attitude and defensive words say a lot about you.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Sowwy I hurt your feewings&lt;/i&gt;, but when I see racial stupidity, I call people on it.

&lt;a href="http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/the-privilege-of-politeness/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Also take note:&lt;/a&gt; "One item that comes up over and over in discussions of racism is that of tone/attitude. People of Color (POC) are very often called on their tone when they bring up racism, the idea being that if POC were just more polite about the whole thing the offending person would have listened and apologized right away...At the core of this expectation of politeness is the idea that the POC in question should teach the offender what was wrong with their statement. Because in my experience what is meant by “be polite” is “teach me”, teach me why you’re offended by this, teach me how to be racially sensitive and the bottom line is that it is no one’s responsibility to teach anyone else."

&lt;blockquote&gt;And thank you for pointing out, that perhaps I am looking for positive advice on the wrong site.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just because this is a site about anti-racism, doesn't mean it's not a positive place. As a matter of fact, I hope you'll stay on as reader as learn something. But, since youi're picking up your toys and going home, it's pretty obvious that you were just here for that one thing. Then the "Bad Ol' Angry Black Woman" made you mad, so you flounced.

This ite is an excellent resource for any and everybody. If you were upset merely because of what I wrote, then maybe the problem's not this blog.

It's you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I was trying to ask for some helpful assistance with positive suggestions and ideas to help deal with the matter.<br />
I never expected such a negative response.
</p></blockquote>
<p>You asked how you, a White woman, should deal with a Black employee who was problematic, instead of seeing it as a problematic employee who happened to be Black.</p>
<p>The fact that you didn&#8217;t expect a negative response shows your own naivete.</p>
<blockquote><p>I was not looking for some obvious debate on how “not all people of color are the same”,or “that a person doesn’t want to do his job”….this all of course is the obvious.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obviously it&#8217;s not too obvious, or else you wouldn&#8217;t have posed the question.</p>
<blockquote><p>Next time you reply to a posting, try to offer positive feedback. You can drive home a point far better with kindness.</p>
<p>Truly, your negative attitude and defensive words say a lot about you.
</p></blockquote>
<p><i>Sowwy I hurt your feewings</i>, but when I see racial stupidity, I call people on it.</p>
<p><a href="http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/the-privilege-of-politeness/" rel="nofollow">Also take note:</a> &#8220;One item that comes up over and over in discussions of racism is that of tone/attitude. People of Color (POC) are very often called on their tone when they bring up racism, the idea being that if POC were just more polite about the whole thing the offending person would have listened and apologized right away&#8230;At the core of this expectation of politeness is the idea that the POC in question should teach the offender what was wrong with their statement. Because in my experience what is meant by “be polite” is “teach me”, teach me why you’re offended by this, teach me how to be racially sensitive and the bottom line is that it is no one’s responsibility to teach anyone else.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>And thank you for pointing out, that perhaps I am looking for positive advice on the wrong site.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just because this is a site about anti-racism, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not a positive place. As a matter of fact, I hope you&#8217;ll stay on as reader as learn something. But, since youi&#8217;re picking up your toys and going home, it&#8217;s pretty obvious that you were just here for that one thing. Then the &#8220;Bad Ol&#8217; Angry Black Woman&#8221; made you mad, so you flounced.</p>
<p>This ite is an excellent resource for any and everybody. If you were upset merely because of what I wrote, then maybe the problem&#8217;s not this blog.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bootstrapping Protection for Sexual Orientation into Title VII by The Week In Recruiting (Reading the blogs so you don&#8217;t have to&#8230;) &#124; Jim Stroud's The Recruiters Lounge</title>
		<link>http://www.raceintheworkplace.com/2008/04/02/bootstrapping-protection-for-sexual-orientation-into-title-vii/#comment-37686</link>
		<dc:creator>The Week In Recruiting (Reading the blogs so you don&#8217;t have to&#8230;) &#124; Jim Stroud's The Recruiters Lounge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] exit 8. The bigger the recession, the bigger the resume databases 9. There is a difference 10. Homo or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] exit 8. The bigger the recession, the bigger the resume databases 9. There is a difference 10. Homo or [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Watercooler: sandwiches for&#8230; diversity? by Jacob Johansen</title>
		<link>http://www.raceintheworkplace.com/2007/11/09/watercooler-sandwiches-for-diversity/#comment-37361</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Johansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religion really is the culprit here (as it has been for the last two millenia).

Of course many Muslims and Christians would take issue with going to a restaurant owned by a homosexual. When's the last time you saw a diversity statement posted at any church or mosque?

Interesting dichotomy here: corporations try to teach embracing diversity, while religion breeds bias that divides our communities.

The social cohesion garnered from religion has always been selective; thus seeding many unattractive human values that have plagued humanity with tragedy and suffering.

The greatest aberration to the progression of human life was the hijacking of morality by religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion really is the culprit here (as it has been for the last two millenia).</p>
<p>Of course many Muslims and Christians would take issue with going to a restaurant owned by a homosexual. When&#8217;s the last time you saw a diversity statement posted at any church or mosque?</p>
<p>Interesting dichotomy here: corporations try to teach embracing diversity, while religion breeds bias that divides our communities.</p>
<p>The social cohesion garnered from religion has always been selective; thus seeding many unattractive human values that have plagued humanity with tragedy and suffering.</p>
<p>The greatest aberration to the progression of human life was the hijacking of morality by religion.</p>
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